So, I have been a bit worried about Finn lately. As a wee child, he was boisterous and outgoing, and then shortly after I became pregnant with Phoebe he became more shy; he started to become a bit timid when doing things without mom or dad, avoided conversation with strangers, and sometimes even avoided other children at the playground. I assumed it was a stage. A reaction to my pregnancy. Or just being two and a half. Or whatever. But something that he would soon outgrow.
As time has gone on, however, this "stage" has continued, and he has become even more shy. I would actually describe him as extremely shy in certain situations. So much so that it is in fact affecting his "success" in interacting with the outside world and he doesn't always act appropriately in social situations. Sometimes, if he feels uncomfortable he may run up and kick me or make a loud noise in someone's face, and I can tell it is because he is just not sure how to act. However, his extreme shyness seems to be somewhat random, where one moment he can't deal and acts completely inappropriately, and then the next he is an outgoing chatterbox and will strike up conversations with complete strangers.
Let me give you a couple examples to show you what I mean... We signed him up for a soccer class when Phoebe was just a few weeks old and he had 3 other friends in the class. I was sure he was going to love it. Instead, I found that each day, when asked to go with the group, he would cry, refuse to look at the instructor, and then sit down in the middle of the gym and scream for me. Needless to say, he didn't participate much. However, several times after class, he would wander up to the coach and start telling him these long stories and not stop talking. Go figure, right?
For the past couple months, we have had Finn in swim class with his best friend. Each day, he is reluctant to go over with the group and refuses to look the teacher in the eyes. The first day of class, he actually threw a bucket at the teachers face when he wasn't sure how to react. That was quite embarrassing for me. But, by the end of each class, he is splashing around and having a great time, but then 2 days later, when we are back, he once again doesn't want to get in or even look at the teacher. It is like we have to start over and warm up to the teacher every time.
He also refuses to go to the potty at school. Which is at his best friend's house. He will go if I go in with him, but not if I am gone. The whole idea of it overwhelms him. And some days we will go to the park and he will make a new friend and play for an hour. Other days he will come running to me if another child even looks at him.
Is this normal behavior for a 4 year old? I know that kids his age get moody and have "off" days, but this behavior is consistently inconsistent. If it is 'just' a phase, it is certainly a long one, because this first started almost two years ago.
It has crossed my mind to wonder if he could have some form of autism, but aside from these strange social interactions, he seems totally normal. He has many friends that he is not shy with at all, he likes to be social and interact... he just needs it to all be on his terms and I can't seem to get him to break out of his shell on a regular basis.
Has anyone dealt with something similar to this? Any advice? Any good books to read?
Part of me thinks that this is just a long phase of him starting to become his own person, and someday he will eventually learn how to act appropriately in 'new' social situations. But then, if he doesn't, I feel like I will have lost all of this time when I could be helping him address his fears.
Do I continue to sign him up for classes to 'push' his limits and help him get more used to dealing with different social situations, or should I ease back and give him some time to socialize only in situations that he is comfortable in? I was really shy as a child (and still am somewhat today), but I would never have thrown a bucket at my swim teachers face, or refused to look at an adult when they asked me a question. So to me, it seems problematic, but maybe I am just worrying too much. My husband think I am crazy, but yet, he isn't the one who takes him to soccer or swimming or the park, so he doesn't see what is happening first hand.
I am toying with the idea of making an appointment with his doctor, but wonder if I am just an overly concerned crazy lady. The latter is probably at least somewhat true, but I just don't know how to deal with my child. I obviously want the best for him, and in order for him to reach his full potential he needs to be able to interact with the outside world. I am just not sure how to help him.
So I am not an expert in anyway- I'm just a mom- with two boys and ten plus years experience of deal with my own and having a vested interest in observing how others deal with their children.
ReplyDeleteThe first question that comes to mind is how have your been reacting/punishing his behavior?
I am a very strict mom- more so then most of my friends- I really have a zero tolerance for most inappropriate behavior.
I feel like if I expect more from them then they have to live up to a higher standard.
Personally I feel getting a doctor involved (speaking as a doctors wife) is premature.
I don't know. Wow, big help I am...sorry.
ReplyDeleteWow, he sounds just like me as a kid! I was an extremely shy child, but I could also be a total chatterbox once I came out of my shell. I remember begging my mom for ballet lessons when I was about Finn's age... She finally agreed, but on the day of my first lesson I panicked so badly I cried until I threw up. When we got there, I refused to participate and sobbed for my mom the entire lesson. We never went back. Same with the soccer lessons. I swam competitively for 13 years and I was 12 or 13 before I stopped having panic attacks before meets. Meanwhile, I was fine having one-on-one piano lessons with my instructor, I sang in several choirs, and I had no problem getting up in front of the entire school to read at assemblies.
ReplyDeleteAs far as friends were concerned, I had a few close friends I was always comfortable with, but if they wanted to include other kids, I would always hold back. Some days, if I was approached by someone I didn't know well and asked to play, I would happily agree. Other times, I would not be able to bring myself to make eye contact. Same with school- I was a straight A student, but teachers always wrote on my report cards that I refused to participate in class.
Today, I can get up in front of a group of strangers at a research conference to give a presentation, but I have trouble speaking up in small groups or in front of peers. I like taking Trinity and Gabe places like the zoo and museum, but shy away from participation in Mommy Groups where I would be expected to "hang out" with the other parents.
I was diagnosed with anxiety many years ago and at one point I was on medication for it, but now I've gotten used to the fact that, uncomfortable or not, there are certain things that I just have to do and I force myself to participate. While chatting with my MD about this at a regular checkup a couple of years ago, he said he was surprised that I had never been tested to see if I fell onto the autism spectrum, especially since I also exhibit OCD tendencies. I guess I could go get tested, but I don't know if it'd make much of a difference at this point.
I don't think it's premature to visit Finn's doctor, but I also think a lot of these behaviors are just characteristic of a shy person. His other developmental milestones are on track, right? As far as signing him up for other activities, I would definitely keep trying, but don't force things on him if they make him absolutely miserable. Perhaps if you hear of something he might like, you could explain the situation to the instructor. Maybe they would let you attend the first class without being formally registered; if he enjoys himself, you could sign him up. If not, you won't be wasting time and money committing to weeks and months of tantrums.
One thing I WILL say for my parents is that as I got older and asked to participate in different things, if I signed up, they MADE me participate. I sometimes hated them for it, but it definitely enforced the idea that if I start something I need to finish it.
Sorry for the extremely long comment. Finn just sounds so much like me at that age that I felt I should share.
Parenting is so hard sometimes, isn't it? What a good mommy you are for wanting to delve deeper.
ReplyDeleteOur seven-year-old Josh has similar tendencies. We are finally taking him to see a developmental pediatrician after years of meltdowns and outbursts, with no particular pattern. There are times I feel as if he is misbehaving, but then I think there has got to be something amiss - and when the school brought up the same issues, we decided to get some testing done.
I feel for you because I know how hard this stuff is. Feel free to email me directly if you need to "chat."
I feel for you! Parenting, while extremely rewarding, is by far the hardest job!
ReplyDeleteFrom your description I think your son could likely be displaying normal childhood behaviour with an element of anxiety. However, children with autism (or any form of autism spectrun disorder) often simultaneously have anxiety and can be "high-functioning".
Other things to consider - has your son met all his developmental milestones, any problems with language or hearing? Sleep disturbances? Tummy trouble (ie. diarrhea, undigested food in stool?)
I think you should trust your Mama-gut. You are the expert at reading your child. If you feel it would be best to have him see your doctor - do it. Either way, I suggest you document the behaviour you are concerned about and be prepared for several office visits.
Good luck!
I wish I had words of wisdom, but I can only offer support! It sounds like you are approaching the situation with great compassion, which is so very admirable. A lot of what the other moms here have said makes a lot of sense--regarding anxiety and whatnot. I agree that you should trust your mama-gut as to whether this is something you can help Finn work through, or if you need some outside assistance. I wouldn't think there is any harm in asking around or consulting with a doctor.
ReplyDeleteThank you everyone for your thoughts and advice. It is truly much appreciate. Kimberly- it was especially nice to hear what you had to say, since it seems like you have been through this from Finn's point of view. And, it is also reassuring to see that you are doing well even after having anxiety as a child. I actually have had some panic attacks over the past 3 years, and it is a terrible feeling.
ReplyDeleteIn response to a few questions that were asked: Yes, Finn is well on-track developmentally, ahead of most kids his age actually. He talks extremely well, can write the alphabet and is starting to read. All of his motor skills are on-track too. That's what makes me think (hope) that these other idiosyncrasies are either just a phase, or something he will soon learn to deal with.
He is not a great sleeper, but never has been, and has no digestive issues, although he had always had mental problems going to the bathroom and is very shy about it.
I think I am a fairly strict mama.... I need certain rules to be followed. However, I am very reluctant to actually give him any consequences for NOT doing something that he is terribly afraid of. I have been doing a bit of bribing (something I swore I would never do as a parent before I actually had kids), but for right not rewarding him for being braving and getting past these hurdles is all that I can think of that may help.
Again, thanks for all of your comments. I will keep you all posted. Yesterday's swim class was a bit better, so I feel that we may be able to move past this.
Glad to hear he did better at swimming yesterday! I don't think using a reward system is a bad idea, if it helps to motivate him. Good luck with everything!
ReplyDeleteYou know I would not be surprised if some of this did have to do with becoming a big brother, for us it seemed to manifest itself in different ways all the time. Hang n there!!!
ReplyDeleteYou know I would not be surprised if some of this did have to do with becoming a big brother, for us it seemed to manifest itself in different ways all the time. Hang n there!!!
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